Legislature(2003 - 2004)

03/24/2004 09:04 AM Senate FIN

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     SENATE BILL NO. 366                                                                                                        
     "An Act  relating to the levy  and collection of sales  and use                                                            
     taxes,  to the levy and collection  of municipal sales  and use                                                            
     taxes,  and  to municipal  sales  and  use taxes  on  alcoholic                                                            
     beverages; and providing for an effective date."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This  was the first  hearing  for this  bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken stated that  this bill, which  is sponsored  by the                                                            
Senate Finance  Committee, would institute a statewide  four-percent                                                            
sales tax on sales, lease,  rental, and use of tangible property and                                                            
services within the State.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens moved  to adopt committee substitute, Version 23-                                                            
LS1051\U as the working  document. He then objected to the motion in                                                            
order to explain the changes in the committee substitute.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  noted that  Kathryn  Kurtz,  Legislative  Counsel,                                                            
Division of Legislative  Legal and Research Services, has provided a                                                            
Version  "U" Sectional  Analysis  [copy on  file],  dated March  24,                                                            
2004.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  stressed that this is a working  document and as                                                            
such would  continue  to evolve over  time. Changes  in Version  "U"                                                            
include:  the  addition  of  three  new  sections  to  the  list  of                                                            
limitations on the powers  of Home Rule municipalities to Section 5,                                                            
on page two, beginning on line seven.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilken  interjected   that  numerous   individuals   have                                                            
indicated the desire to testify regarding this bill.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens expressed  the understanding that this would be a                                                            
Committee work  session with the goal of developing  a new committee                                                            
substitute  based upon Department  and Member  input. Therefore,  he                                                            
asked that the hearing be limited to Committee discussion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken apologized  for not  clarifying  that this  hearing                                                            
would be a  work session, as it is  the bill's first hearing  and "a                                                            
foundation  on what we are talking  about" must be established.  The                                                            
Version "U" committee substitute  was distributed to the public with                                                            
the understanding  that public testimony  would be taken  at a later                                                            
date.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  explained that some of the changes  incorporated                                                            
into the committee  substitute would  address concerns presented  by                                                            
State departments, specifically  the Department of Revenue. However,                                                            
not  all  of  the  concerns  have  been  addressed,  as  this  is  a                                                            
continuing  work in progress. In addition  to changes in  Section 5,                                                            
other changes include:  language in Section 12, page three, line 27,                                                            
that would allow municipalities  to adjust their local tax system in                                                            
order to qualify  for the one-percent return the State  would rebate                                                            
to the municipality; language  in Section 16, subsection (7) on page                                                            
five, line  29 would provide  an exemption  for goods for resale  by                                                            
the  mining and  manufacturing  industry was  added  because it  was                                                            
inadvertently  omitted  in the  original committee  substitute;  the                                                            
reference to a local bed  tax, were it separate from the local sales                                                            
tax, as  specified  under AS 29.45.700,  in  Section 16,  subsection                                                            
Sec. 43.44.060. Relationship  to municipal levies. on page six, line                                                            
29 would allow  it to remain in place; language in  Section 16, Sec.                                                            
43.44.060, subsection (c)  on page seven, beginning on line 18 would                                                            
address  the situation  of two  different taxation  rates  resulting                                                            
from a city  within a borough  by combining  the two rates  and then                                                            
splitting the revenue rebated  to that taxing regime proportionately                                                            
between the two entities.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman asked  for further  information  regarding how  the                                                            
State's   one-percent   tax  rebate   would  be   split  between   a                                                            
municipality and a borough.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens responded that  the one-percent rebate  would be                                                            
divided between  the two entities depending on their  individual tax                                                            
levies. A five-percent  tax on behalf of the local entities would be                                                            
collected  were a municipality  to  levy a two-percent  tax and  the                                                            
borough  to  levy a  three-percent  tax.  One  percent of  the  five                                                            
percent tax  would be rebated and  prorated proportionately  between                                                            
the two.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman understood  therefore that the language specifically                                                            
defines  how  the split  would  occur  as  opposed  to it  being  an                                                            
optional situation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens responded that  this would be the guideline  for                                                            
any community  that that a dual city/municipality  taxation  system.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  explained  that other  changes  in Version  "U"                                                            
include language  in Section 16, Sec. 43.44.130. Authority  to enter                                                            
streamlined sales and use  tax agreement. on page nine, beginning on                                                            
line nine that  "would permit the State to enter into  a multi-state                                                            
sales  agreements for  catalog sales,"  and, were  any agreement  to                                                            
occur on the federal  Congressional level regarding  Internet sales,                                                            
this would  allow the  State to  participate in  that agreement.  In                                                            
addition, this  language would allow the purchase  of a large ticket                                                            
item that  is taxed  in one of  certain participating  states  to be                                                            
exempt from  taxation in  Alaska. He noted  that this would  prevent                                                            
"dual  taxation,"  and  he noted  that  these  types  of  agreements                                                            
currently exist between some states.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens further  explained that some issues not addressed                                                            
in this committee  substitute include whether or not  to establish a                                                            
sales tax  limitation; or  whether or not  to exempt such things  as                                                            
industrial equipment  that is used in development  or exploration or                                                            
transportation  expenses as exampled by taxing items  shipped on the                                                            
Alaska Railroad that would  probably be taxed again when sold at the                                                            
retail  level.  He  voiced  support  for  exempting  both  of  these                                                            
components.  Another  issue  not  addressed  is whether  or  not  to                                                            
incorporate   penalties   for  non-compliance   or  non-enforcement                                                             
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked whether  Version "U" addresses the entirety of                                                            
the Department  of Revenue concerns as detailed in  the Department's                                                            
March  19,  2004   memorandum  [copy  on  file]  signed   by  Deputy                                                            
Commissioner, Steve Porter, and addressed to Senator B. Stevens.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens responded  that Version  "U" addresses  most but                                                            
not all  of the concerns.  Efforts on how  to address the  remaining                                                            
concerns are continuing.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PHELAN  STRAUBE,   Staff  to  Senator  Ben  Stevens,   informed  the                                                            
Committee that  efforts are continuing  in regards to incorporating                                                             
into  the bill,  language,  as suggested  by Senator  Hoffman,  that                                                            
would  allow a  small business  to withhold  from  submitting a  tax                                                            
every  30 days as  required,  until such  a time that  the tax  owed                                                            
amounted to a minimum of $250.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.  Stevens  noted  that  another  area  requiring  further                                                            
discussion  would   pertain  to  a  sixty  dollar  per  transaction                                                             
limitation, specifically  how it would affect existing local revenue                                                            
streams. He  also noted that language  exempting wages and  interest                                                            
from  taxation  was  also  inadvertently  omitted  from  the  bill's                                                            
exemption list.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  asked whether the intent of the bill  is to limit the                                                            
collection  of tax to only those entities  holding a State  business                                                            
license as enforcing collection  of the tax on such things as garage                                                            
sales would be an administrative nightmare.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  responded that Section 16, subsection  (6)(A) on                                                            
page  five,  beginning  on  lines  25 would  exempt  the  resale  of                                                            
property  if a  purchaser  resells  the property,  by  itself or  in                                                            
combination  with  other  property,   "in  the  ordinary  course  of                                                            
business."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  stated that such things as garage  sales could also                                                            
be exempted by language  in Section 16, subsection (3) on page five,                                                            
line 17 that would exempt "occasional sales."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens concurred.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked about  his request to provide a senior citizen                                                            
sales tax exemption in the bill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens responded that  while this issue was  discussed,                                                            
it was  determined  that the  municipalities  that currently  exempt                                                            
senior citizens from taxation  could address this on the local level                                                            
by  utilizing  the  one-percent  rebate  to  assist  seniors  or  by                                                            
providing them a tax credit.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  stated that he would  support a senior citizen  tax                                                            
exemption. For  clarification, he pointed out that  while one of his                                                            
requests  was to exempt diesel  fuel utilized  in the generation  of                                                            
electricity,  the language  in Section  16, subsection  (5) on  page                                                            
five, line 22,  that exempts "the sale of natural  gas, diesel fuel,                                                            
heating  oil,  water, electricity,   steam, or  refuse  and  garbage                                                            
collection  service"  would  serve  to  exempt diesel  fuel  in  its                                                            
entirety.  He voiced  that his  suggestion limited  the diesel  fuel                                                            
exemption whereas  the language as written would serve  to provide a                                                            
disparity between gas users and diesel users.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens acknowledged  the comment  and stated that  this                                                            
exemption would be revisited.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson  opined  that  the  endeavor   to exempt   industrial                                                            
machinery would  be difficult as it would be a challenge  to provide                                                            
this exemption  to a specific industry such as the  oil industry and                                                            
large construction  projects but not consider exempting  such things                                                            
as commercial fisherman or fish processors.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  responded that this had been considered  without                                                            
resolution. However, it  should be noted that while the four percent                                                            
tax  might apply  to every  purchase,  there  is a  maximum $60  tax                                                            
limit. This "ceiling,"  which could be described as an invoice sales                                                            
tax rather than  an itemized sales tax, was included  in the bill in                                                            
an attempt to address this concern.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson acknowledged the explanation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked how the tax would  be applied to harvesters  of                                                            
products, be it either  fishermen harvesting from the sea or farmers                                                            
harvesting  potatoes  who  might sell  their  products  either on  a                                                            
wholesale or retail basis.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Straube interjected  that were a fisherman to purchase cans that                                                            
would be  utilized in the  process of his  harvest, the purchase  of                                                            
those  cans  would  be exempt  from  the  sales  tax. Manufacturing                                                             
components  would also be exempt from  taxation under provisions  of                                                            
this bill.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens continued  that, the concept  "is that  any item                                                            
that is either sold or  purchased in the process for total resale is                                                            
exempt." A borough would  have the ability to implement a landed raw                                                            
fish tax, whereas the State  would have the ability to tax the final                                                            
product where  that product sold in the State. This  sales tax would                                                            
not apply to  a product manufactured  in the State but sold  outside                                                            
of the State.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken suggested  that the  word "sewer"  be added  to the                                                            
list of exemptions in the  aforementioned Section 16, subsection (5)                                                            
on page five, line 22.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  agreed that some of the activities  specified in                                                            
that section might not be owned by a municipality.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  affirmed that  this  is the  case in  the City  of                                                            
Fairbanks.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken asked  regarding the  status of  the bill's  fiscal                                                            
notes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens responded that  the adoption of the Version  "U"                                                            
committee substitute  would provide  the Department of Revenue  with                                                            
significant  information  with  which  to  develop  a  fiscal  note.                                                            
However,  he  requested  that  development  of the  fiscal  note  be                                                            
delayed until a new committee  substitute that encompasses the items                                                            
that were inadvertently omitted from Version "U" is developed.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken suggested  that a  separate  estimate be  developed                                                            
that  would depict  how much  sales tax  would be  lost were  senior                                                            
citizens exempted.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked the  anticipated annual expense of administering                                                            
the program, as he was  concerned that these expenses might outweigh                                                            
the revenue the tax would generate.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens understood  that the  Department has  calculated                                                            
those figures.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ROBIN WILSON,  Tax Division,  Department of  Revenue, testified  via                                                            
teleconference  from  an  offnet  site  and stated  that  while  the                                                            
Department  would work with Senator  B. Stevens to develop  a fiscal                                                            
note, it  could not provide  one at this time  as the Committee  has                                                            
some important  decisions  yet to  make. The  Version "U"  committee                                                            
substitute  has not  been reviewed  by the Department  and  language                                                            
regarding  such things as  the tax limitation  could complicate  the                                                            
development  as it  would affect  costs. She  assured however,  that                                                            
once the exemption  structure is clarified,  a fiscal note  would be                                                            
developed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.  Stevens   withdrew  his  objection  to  the   committee                                                            
substitute, with  the understanding that a new committee  substitute                                                            
would be provided in short order.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
There  being  no  further  objection,  the  Version   "U"  committee                                                            
substitute was ADOPTED as the working document.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken asked  that  the handout  titled  "State Sales  Tax                                                            
Issue Primer"  [copy on file], dated March 2004, that  was developed                                                            
by the Alaska Municipal League (AML) be explained.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN RITCHIE,  Executive Director, Alaska Municipal  League, voiced                                                            
appreciation  for the Committee's  endeavors to address the  State's                                                            
fiscal  dilemma  by considering  a  variety  of  revenue  generating                                                            
options including a State sales tax.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Mr. Ritchie  stated that  the AML would be  available to assist  the                                                            
Committee in this  endeavor. He noted that the intent  of the "State                                                            
Sales  Tax Issue  Primer" is  to examine  some of  the impacts  that                                                            
would  result were  a State  sales  tax implemented  as  well as  to                                                            
acknowledge  that this State is different  from other states.  Since                                                            
Statehood,  even  when  times  were tough,  sales  taxes  have  been                                                            
reserved to be a municipal  tax, as it is recognized that many small                                                            
communities  do not have  any other viable  option through  which to                                                            
generate  revenue aside from  property taxation.  He also noted  the                                                            
wide costs  of living  variations  in the differing  regions  of the                                                            
State is a consideration in this issue.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ritchie noted  that  in  response to  questions  pertaining  to                                                            
revenue sources,  AML would first recommend the use  of the earnings                                                            
of the  Permanent Fund  and the  adoption of the  Percent of  Market                                                            
Value (POMV) Program.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Ritchie  declared   that   a  "direct   partnership"   between                                                            
municipalities   and  the  State   must  be  sought  regarding   the                                                            
development of  the fiscal notes, as the exemption  list provided in                                                            
the bill  is "a huge  issue" that  would affect  both the State  and                                                            
municipalities'   sales  tax  revenues.  He  noted  that  the  Kenai                                                            
Peninsula Borough  and the City and Borough of Juneau  currently are                                                            
the largest sales tax collection organizations.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ritchie  concluded  his remarks  by  stating that  AML would  be                                                            
available  to answer questions  regarding the  Sales Tax Primer  and                                                            
would welcome  participation  in the continuing  development  of the                                                            
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  voiced  appreciation  for  AML's  assistance,  the                                                            
Primer,  and  the  suggestion  to  develop  a  Sales  Tax  Exemption                                                            
Commission.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  assumed that from "the  negative approach"  presented                                                            
in the Primer  that AML has a negative view of the  State Sales Tax.                                                            
He asked whether  the exemption approach would be  more palatable to                                                            
municipalities  were it to mirror  exemptions currently in  place at                                                            
the local level.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ritchie responded  that each area of the State  is different and                                                            
that difference  is reflected  in each  area's specific exemptions.                                                             
Beginning  on page 16 of  the Primer, there  is a definition  and an                                                            
overview  of various  communities'  tax  exemptions,  and in  short,                                                            
there are  no common or  uniform tax exemptions.  He also  clarified                                                            
that this  non-uniformity  also pertains  to the  tax limitation  as                                                            
some municipalities  have a  limit on a total  invoice while  others                                                            
might apply it to a single purchase.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.  Stevens  complimented   Mr.  Ritchie  and  AML  on  the                                                            
information  provided in the  booklet. Continuing,  he spoke  to the                                                            
issue as depicted  on page ten of  the Primer in the section  titled                                                            
"A State Sales  Tax in Not Fair to  Alaskans" which bases  its anti-                                                            
tax  position  on  the  fact  that  the  price  of  goods  in  rural                                                            
communities is substantially  higher than that of urban communities.                                                            
While labeling this as  a major policy call, he declared that he has                                                            
"yet to rationalize within  my mind" a justification as to why it is                                                            
acceptable  on  the  local  level  to tax  products  to  fund  local                                                            
government  but it is labeled  "unfair" for  the State to tax  those                                                            
same products.  On the same subject,  he noted that urban  areas use                                                            
property taxes  as a mechanism through which to fund  government. He                                                            
noted  that  the  State  provides  goods  and  services,   including                                                            
education, "at a equal  level" to all areas of the State be it urban                                                            
or rural.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  opined that  the information  on this page  intimates                                                            
that the  proposed Sales Tax  would be unfair  due to the fact  that                                                            
because the  price of an  object such as milk  is more expensive  in                                                            
one area of the  State, the purchaser would be required  to pay more                                                            
tax. Continuing,  he recalled testimony  to the affect that,  in one                                                            
areas  of the  State, a  Permanent Fund  Dividend  check equates  to                                                            
approximately  30-percent of the household  income. Therefore,  were                                                            
an income tax  implemented, that area  of the State would  be paying                                                            
little or  no income tax  while another area  of the State  would be                                                            
paying substantially  more. He opined, however, that  the income tax                                                            
scenario is fairer than the sales tax scenario.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman,  furthering Senator  Bunde's comments, stated  that                                                            
what is relevant  in an income tax scenario is that  everyone in the                                                            
State  is  treated  equally  whether they  are  in  an economically                                                             
depressed area  or not. The problem  with a State sales tax  is that                                                            
the State  would be receiving  additional  dollars from communities                                                             
where the price of things  such as milk is higher. This differs from                                                            
the local tax  scenario in that everyone in the community  would pay                                                            
the local government  the same tax  amount. He stated that  there is                                                            
fairness  in a  local sales  tax as  the individuals  living  within                                                            
those boundaries are treated  equally. In conclusion, he agreed that                                                            
Rural areas  would be treated  unfairly were  a Statewide sales  tax                                                            
implemented.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.   Stevens  proclaimed   that  these  discussions   would                                                            
continue; however, he argued  that the State sales tax would be fair                                                            
because  it would  be applied  equally  in all  parts  of the  State                                                            
regardless  of  the  different  pay  scales,   expenses,  and  other                                                            
amenities. A State sales  tax would be the most equitable thing that                                                            
could be applied  across the State  and furthermore, the  areas that                                                            
are more affluent,  spend more money and therefore  would contribute                                                            
more money.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman declared  that it  would be  fair to  tax on  a per                                                            
gallon  basis  rather than  a  price per  gallon  basis.  Therefore,                                                            
whatever one consumes,  one pays for whether it be marine, aviation,                                                            
or motor fuel.  He recognized this  as being a fair taxation  method                                                            
as opposed  to the inequities presented  by a State sales  tax based                                                            
on price.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  noted that  contrary to State  programs that  provide                                                            
cost of living  allowance considerations  for the price of  services                                                            
or employment,  private business  employees  are not provided  these                                                            
benefits.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  countered that private industry  employees would                                                            
also not have  the option to not pay  local sales or property  taxes                                                            
on such things as rent.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  stated that a new committee substitute  would be                                                            
forthcoming.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  stated that an opportunity for public  testimony on                                                            
this bill would be forthcoming.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken ordered the bill HELD in Committee.                                                                             

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